Wars and rumors of wars (2023)

By now, I'm sure all of our readers have heard of the various reports that more restrictions on celebrating the traditional Roman Rite could be coming, perhaps within a few months.Let itreported a few days ago that their sources have not received news about it, whileRoberto Moynihanofinside the vaticanreports that it certainly exists in some form. I've heard other reports that both contradict and agree with both, including one denying that such restrictions are intended and another giving a summary of them that, if partially true, would be disastrous. I have no information of my own to offer. It only remains to encourage everyone to pray fervently and constantly so that God, in his infinite mercy and wisdom, removes such a calamity from the Church, and prevents even greater suffering and sadness from being inflicted uselessly on the followers of the traditional rite, as narrated in this video of a Wisconsin couple, who recently missed their traditional Mass, which predatesthe Supreme Pontiff.

Meanwhile, me toostronglyWe encourage all our readers to read and disseminate as widely as possible this absolutely magnificent column by Dom Alcuin Reid, published last week in One Peter Five, which no summary can do justice to:

This article was written largely in response to a series published last fall by the Church Life Journal at the University of Notre Dame, written by Professors John Cavadini, Mary Healy, and Thomas Weinandy OFM Cap. the five articleslater republished as a unit, offer a defense of the postconciliar liturgy that relies largely on the same combination ofsuppression of truthyfalse suggestionthatAll these defenses are based on. Dom Alcuin is right to point out the "scantiness of its liturgical history and the lack of variety of sources in its footnotes"; I have no hesitation in stating bluntly that the presentation is selective and simply ignores mountains of evidence that contradict its narrative.

Dom Alcuin outlines some of the broader points on which Cavadini, Healy and Weinandy (henceforth CHW,for the sake of brevity) stranded In short, they accept the false premise that to question the reform is to question the Second Vatican Council. (We will return to this later.) “...the intellectual and pastoral argument for the theological, liturgical, and more especially, pastoral superiority of the Reformed liturgical rites has long since been lost. ...it is a well-established fact that the new rites promulgated by Paul VI after the Council were not the modest organic development of the hitherto Roman rite for which the Council called (seeThe Holy Council23), but rather a radically new product of the body charged by Paul VI with implementing the Council's liturgical Constitution... The Consilium intentionally went beyond the Constitution - with, in the case of many of its members, the best of intentions. , and certainly, in the end, with the backing of papal authority. …it is intellectually false to claim that to question or reject the reformed liturgy is in any way 'undermining Vatican II', as our three authors and others would have us believe”. (Or, as this guy rightly put it :)

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Its second major flaw (by far the most common with this particular genre of postconciliar apologetics) is to ignore the fact that the reform has not achieved the promised success of the Church. Bishop Alcuin writes: “...as repeated statistical studies from various countries show, the reformed liturgy simply did not deliver the promised ecclesial renewal. Bride? Yes: the assumption that guided ('driven'? 'sold'?) the introduction of the new rites was that if the liturgy was simplified, modernized, made more contemporary, then people would participate in it more fruitfully. which the life of the Church would begin. Unfortunately, the opposite has been shown to be true. ... modern liturgical rites do notthemselvesproved to be part of the solution (to the problem of the decline of religious practice); by themselves they did not retain, much less attract, people to practice the Faith. Today, then, we can legitimately raise questions about its pastoral usefulness and about the wisdom of following the policies of sixty years ago that led to its production".

The CHW's narrative is also predicated on the idea that the entire process of liturgical reform, going back to the original Liturgical Movement, was inspired by the Holy Spirit, and therefore to question its value is to "inherently deny the validity of renewal". liturgy as a genuine work of the Holy Spirit in the contemporary Church”. (I dare to insert here an observation of mine and my colleagues, whoyour presentation of the Liturgical Movement in your first article is unforgivably sloppy, as it falsely treats it as if it were ONE movement with ONE set of ideas, which then flowed seamlessly intoThe Holy Counciland the post-conciliar reform. This ignores both the variety of ideas within the Liturgical Movement and the glaring contradiction between its aspirations and the results of the reform.) A matter of faith, of Divine Revelation, to be believed by all the faithful. But not the reforms. They are the product of men's prudent judgments... Indeed, these men (we hope) cried earnestly to God the Holy Spirit to help them in their work, and in this life we ​​shall never know how far he helped them. . (Was God the Holy Spirit really personally responsible for all the errors that resulted in Eucharistic Prayer II?) So it is not blasphemy to question liturgical reform, any more than it is blasphemy to assert that the College of Cardinals is perfectly capable of invoking the Holy Spirit. Saint at the start of a conclave and after choosinga very bad father, as is shown more clearly than any history of the papacy.

That. More than fifty years have passed since the reforms were enacted, and it would now be unreasonable to expect anything else or better. With regard specifically to the CHAs, it only remains to point out that theysonopen to the idea of ​​a future correction of some of the more unfortunate aspects of the reform. However, as Archbishop Alcuin points out, this obviously puts them in direct conflict with the current party line that reform is “.irreversible”, which means that the Church is stuck (for example) with Eucharistic Prayer II forever, or it means nothing.

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Having said all that, it is the introductory section of this essay that really makes it a valuable ongoing contribution to the ongoing debate in the Church about reform and renewal, and the reason I strongly recommend you read and share it. In sum, there is a healthy, reasonable, and theologically sound approach to Vatican II, which is to treat it as one among many ecumenical councils, which (writes Archbishop Alcuin), “outlined policies which were considered expedient at the time and which were to be interpreted in a hermeneutic of continuity with the Tradition of the Church, including the dogmatic definitions of the other twenty Ecumenical Councils of the Church”.

But there is also a sick, irrational, theologically flawed version of Vatican II that can be summed up in six words: "Vatican II changed all that." Dom Alcuin explains in more detail: “El Vatican II changed all of that, radically and irreversibly”, where 'that' refers to any liturgical, doctrinal, moral or pastoral practice previously considered inapplicable (lease 'inconvenient') to a present. man." This is what he calls "super-dogma." Post-conciliar reform is the most immediate tangible sign of this super-dogma and the unhealthy hold it exercises over the Church, and therefore questioning reform is a question.nothe legitimate Vatican II, one council among many in a line of continuity going back to Christ and the Apostles, but the superdogma poorly constructed from it.

“When we recognize this superdogma for what it really is: a lie upon which generations of clergy and laity have built their ecclesiastical careers… we can begin to understand the lengths to which its devotees will go to zealously shore up and defend all that they have built on this foundation, especially the reformed liturgy. Because the new liturgy is the touchstone of the Second Vatican Council. It is the only thread on which (in the minds of many) the Council (of its own conception) hangs.

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As I said earlier, I do not intend to do justice to this essay by summarizing it here, and it is important to note that Dom Alcuin does not attribute the fullness of this superdogma to CHW. However, like it or not, their attempt to characterize the adoption of the historic Roman Rite as a rejection of Vatican II cannot be sustained UNLESS Vatican II is accepted in its version of superdogma, which is unhealthy, irrational and theologically wrong. . .wrong. , and now, after sixty years, possibly the greatest obstacle to genuine reform in the Church as a whole. Therefore, I congratulate Bishop Alcuin for clarifying this very important point and I reiterate my encouragement to everyone to read the essay in its entirety.

ADDENDUM: Just today, One Peter Five brings you another excellent article, this time from Mr. John Byron Kuhner, a fitting commemoration of the eighth of Dom Alcuin's work. This paragraph gives a clearin factsummary of the most basic problem with the CHW article.


“The fact that the Mass (Novus Ordo) is a papal and non-conciliar creation does not make it any less valid for Catholics, of course; but make it clear thattheir discussions should be separate from the Council's discussions. (my emphasis) And while Paul allowed the modernizing clergy to resist even his own edicts, Chiron can document his vigorous repression of the use of the older form of the mass. He was able to resolve against Tradition rather than resolve against experimentation. ”

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What does the Bible say about wars and rumours of war? ›

Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, `I am the Christ, ' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

What is the meaning of rumours of war? ›

a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts: a rumor of war.

What is Matthew 24 vs 4? ›

Matthew 24:4, NIV: Jesus answered: 'Watch out that no one deceives you. Matthew 24:4, ESV: And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. Matthew 24:4, KJV: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

What is Matthew 24 vs 1? ›

Matthew 24:1, ESV: Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. Matthew 24:1, KJV: And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

What did Jesus said about wars? ›

In his prophecies of the Last Things, Jesus spoke of the wars of the future. He said that nation would rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, that wars and rumours of wars would be heard of, that Judaea would be devastated, Jerusalem besieged and taken by the gentiles, and the Temple defiled and destroyed.

Why do Christians not believe in war? ›

Members of the Historic Peace Churches such as Quakers, Mennonites, Amish and the Church of the Brethren object to war based on their conviction that Christian life is incompatible with military actions, because Jesus enjoins his followers to love their enemies and refrain from committing acts of violence.

What does the Bible say about wars and rumors of wars KJV? ›

[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. [7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Why is it called Rumours? ›

Due to the fact that there were so many problems a lot of rumors were being spread about the group in tabloids, so Mick Fleetwood suggested the album be named rumours.

What does Ezekiel war mean? ›

War of Ezekiel 38–39

Theologian David Petersen refers to an underlying theological message, that even so fearsome an enemy as this is ultimately under the control of the God of Israel, since it is God himself who says to Gog, "I will bring you against my land".

What does the Bible mean by birth pains? ›

12 In Mark 13, the image of birth pains is used to describe several terrible and painful kinds of events, strife and earthquakes and famines. These, Matthew and Mark tell us, are the beginning of the birth pains, perhaps implying that the bitter pains will get even worse than that.

What is Proverbs 24 16? ›

Proverbs 24:16 is an encouraging verse that says, “For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.” At first glance, this passage may not seem reassuring.

What is the main point of Matthew 24? ›

It commences the Olivet Discourse or "Little Apocalypse" spoken by Jesus Christ, also described as the Eschatological Discourse, which continues into chapter 25. It contains Jesus' prediction of the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem.

Who are the two in Luke 24 13? ›

Today's passage, Luke 24:13-35, offers a glimpse of Jesus and his disciples after that first Easter. The story begins with two of Jesus' followers on the road between Jerusalem and Emmaus. One is named Cleopas; the other is not named, and might be Cleopas' wife.

What does it mean the first will be last and the last will be first? ›

Jesus ends the parable with the statement, “The last will be first, and the first last” (Matthew 20:16). The most direct interpretation, based on the content of the parable, is that all believers, no matter how long or how hard they work during this lifetime, will receive the same reward: That is eternal life.

What is the lesson in Acts 24? ›

So, for Paul to persecute Jesus' people was to persecute Jesus. And that's what these Jews were doing in Acts 24. Jesus identifies with his people so deeply that to stand against his people is to stand against him. That means we must be very careful what we say about other Christians.

Why does God allow war? ›

By God choosing Israel as his kingdom of priests and the holy nation he has to allow them the capacity for war to defend themselves and exist in that region. So that's one reason why God could command war. The second reason God commands war is to reveal his character and nature on a national and international stage.

Why do Christians believe in war? ›

For many centuries Christians believed that it was right and proper to use violence (and thus war) to spread the faith and deal with its opponents. They did not regard violence as an inherently bad thing: whether it was bad or not depended on what it was being used for.

What do Christians believe about war? ›

Many Christians believe in the just war theory, that war is wrong except in certain circumstances. There has to be a just cause; those you are attacking much be attacked because they deserve it. The war must be fought to promote good and not evil. When it is over peace and justice must be restored.

What religion cant go to war? ›

Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians, refuse to participate in the armed services on the grounds that they believe they should be neutral in worldly conflicts and often cite the latter portion of Isaiah 2:4 which states, "...neither shall they learn war anymore."

What are the 5 major issues in Christianity? ›

5 Issues That Divide Christians
  • Homosexuality.
  • When/If the Rapture Will Happen.
  • Pre-destination vs Free Will.
  • Old Earth vs Young Earth.
  • Evolution vs Creation.
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Why is Christianity declining? ›

More recent study published in 2022 by Pew Research Center, have found a retention rate among American Christians closer to 67%, and cited that the decline of Christianity is primarily due to people leaving Christianity and choosing to have no religious affiliation (rather than due to people converting to other ...

What are the types of rumors? ›

Social scientists have even studied the topic and defined four main types of rumor: wish rumors; fear or bogey rumors; wedge-driving or aggressive rumors; and anticipatory rumors. In general, people believe rumor and gossip are synonymous.

Why are rumors so destructive? ›

The purpose of gossip is to tear a person down and erode their self-esteem. It's in that state where people may begin experiencing mental health issues, such as eating disorders, suicidal thoughts, depression and anxiety.

What was Prophet Ezekiel's main message? ›

Ezekiel prophesied that the exiles from both Judah and Israel would return to Palestine, leaving none in the Diaspora. In the imminent new age a new covenant would be made with the restored house of Israel, to whom God would give a new spirit and a new heart.

What is the Book of Ezekiel telling us? ›

Ezekiel records his vision of Israel's restoration after the exile and in the latter days. The Lord promises to gather the Israelites from captivity, return them to their promised lands, renew His covenant with them, and reunite the kingdoms of Israel and Judah.

What does Isaiah say about war? ›

The famous “swords to plowshares” quote is but one of its famous proclamations: And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Does the Bible say babies are born sinners? ›

Babies are not born sinners! No person is a sinner until he or she violates God's spiritual law (1 John 3:4). Babies do not have the capability to commit sin. Logic and common-sense dictate that the idea of “original sin” is contrary to the very nature and character of God.

What does it mean that sin gives birth to death? ›

According to James, when sin gets full grown, it leads to death. James 1:15 tells us, “After desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” Temptation can lead to sin, but it doesn't have to. It is wise to remember that whenever you are tempted.

How does God use your pain? ›

God has used our pain to strengthen us and encourage others to trust God and believe that he is working despite what we see.

What does Micah 7 7 say? ›

But as for me, I watch in hope for the LORD, I wait for God my Savior; my God will hear me. Do not gloat over me, my enemy! Though I have fallen, I will rise.

What does 7 times mean in the Bible? ›

Seven times are divine creative commands to the creation itself: “let there be….” Three times are divine initiatives toward humanity: “let us make 'adam…,” “be fruitful and multiply,” and “behold I have given to you….”

What is Philippians 4 13? ›

13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

What is the most important message in the book of Matthew? ›

Writing for a Jewish Christian audience, Matthew's main concern is to present Jesus as a teacher even greater than Moses.

What is the most important lesson in Matthew 25? ›

God wants our lives to overflow with mercy, love, and compassion — the marks of His kingdom. As followers of Jesus, we have a choice: respond to unsettling realities in fear and withdraw, or follow Him in responding to the greatest needs of our day with love and hope.

What does Matthew 24 3 14 mean? ›

Matthew 24:14 is a promise intended to stir hope and strengthen confidence as we seek to faithfully obey the command of our King to make disciples and form churches throughout the world (Matthew 28:18–20).

What was the role of Rumours in the revolt of 1857? ›

Rumours and prophecies played a significant role in the Revolt of 1857. It is clear from the following examples: Rumours about Cartridges: There was a rumour that the new cartridges of Enfield Rifles were greased with the fat of cows and pigs. This rumor fried fire are the sepoy-lines of North India.

What is the meaning of the proverb A rumor goes in one ear and out many mouths? ›

"A Rumor Goes In One Ear and Out Many Mouths" You may have heard of the Chinese proverb, “A rumor goes in one ear and out many mouths” or “rumors spread like wild fires”. It means something that someone says, eventually gets changed a little or even drastically.

What does it mean to be invalidated out of war? ›

If you are invalided out of a job, especially a military job, you are forced to leave because of injury or illness: She was invalided out of the service because of injuries she received in a fire.

What does it mean to the visitors come the spoils of war? ›

The profits, resources, or assets claimed by those who are victorious in battle.

Why did people believe in rumours? ›

The minds of people who believed them – their fears and apprehensions, their faiths and convictions. Rumours circulate only when they resonate with the deeper fears and suspicions of people. The rumours in 1857 begin to make sense when seen in the context of the policies the British pursued from the late 1820s.

What were the 2 main causes of the Revolt of 1857? ›

Answer: The main causes of the 1857 revolt were the policy of annexation, the Doctrine of Lapse, discrimination against Indians, and the economic and social policies of the British.

Which rumour sparked off the revolt? ›

There was a rumour among the Sepoys in January 1857 that the greased cartridge contained the fat of cow and pig. This sparked off the revolt of sepoys on 29th March 1857.


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